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3rd e-IRG delegates meeting

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Friday November 19th 2004

De Witte, Den Haag (The Netherlands)


Dr. Patrick Aerts, Prof. Malcolm Atkinson, Mr. Antoine Barthel, Kyriakos Baxevanidis, Dr. Wolfgang Boch, Dr. Kors Bos, Mario Campolargo, Dr. Tryfon Chiotis, Dr. Brian Coghlan, Robert Cowles, Prof. Dr.-Ing. Gabriele von Voigt, Theo Duhautpas, Dr. Alistair Dunlop, Dr. Fabrizio Gagliardi, Mr. Matti Heikkurinen, Prof. Anthony Hey, Dr. Richard Hirsh, Prof. David Horn, Dr. Gudmund Host, Dr. Jari Jarvinen, Dr. Lennart Johnsson, Dr. Fotis Karayannis, Dr. Ruediger Krahl, Prof. Dieter Kranzlmueller, Prof. Josef Lauri, Michiel Leenaars, Dr. Helmut Löwe, Prof. Vasilis Maglaris, Dr. Mirco Mazzucato, Prof. dr. Alice ter Meulen, Grazyna Omarska, Dr. Federico Rossi, Dr. Jorge-A. Sanchez-Papaspiliou, Dr. Fiorenzo Scaroni, Karin Schauerhammer, Prof. Ilmars Slaidins, Dr. Agathoclis Stylianou, Prof. Laimutis Telksnys, Prof. Panayiotis Tsanakas, Klaus Ullmann, Rosette Vandenbroucke, Prof. Dany Vandromme, Jan P. Windmüller, Prof. Anders Ynnerman, Branko Zebec.


Patrick Aerts (e-IRG chair) opens the meeting and gives a short introduction to the day. Prof. Alice ter Meulen (Netherlands Organisation for Scientific Research, NWO) has a opening presentation highlighting the importance of grids for academic research in all disciplines.

2.EU Intro

Mario Campolargo presents the viewpoints of the European Commission on the growth of the e-infrastructure efforts, the role of e-IRG in the future, and possible involvement with the 7th Framework Program. e-IRG should investigate a possible integration with ESFRI.

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3.Discussion of white paper

Discussion of the Den Haag white paper and results of the workshop held 18 November 2004 in Den Haag. Of all the issues, there was mainly a fair amount of discussion on Acceptable Use Policies. In the pre-grid distributed computing environment individual users had to register somewhere, and they would accept the policy on the spot. In grids people will often cross organisational and legal borders, so local control is not enough as some fear different usage regimes might lead to issues in some cases. The answer would be a shared minimal AUP that all can agree on. According to several members (a.o. Kushznir, Hey) that AUP should not aim to be perfect or cover too much ground, and be liberal about commercialisation aspects - or it will hinder the use of grids terribly. The German representative wishes to be given the opportunity to amend his preliminary agreement within 14 days after the meeting. This is granted (NB. no amendments were received).

The issues endorsed by the e-IRG during the Dutch presidency related to the subject of e-Infrastructures are:

"The e-IRG notes the timely operation of the EUGridPMA in conjunction with the TACAR CA Repository and it expresses its satisfaction for a European initiative that serves e-Science Grid projects. The e-IRG welcomes this development which positions Europe in the forefront of Grid and e-Science interoperability. The e-IRG strongly encourages the EUGridPMA / TACAR to continue their valuable work and recommends that they be supported by the relevant EU / national projects and agencies."
"The e-IRG stresses the importance of deploying flexibly configurable and reliable end-to-end optical connections for research and education end-users (e.g. e-Science experiments). This provision should coexist with IP-routed services and build upon the European 3-tier hierarchical model consisting of the campus, NRENs and pan-European GÉANT networks."
"The e-IRG encourages the formation of a forum dedicated to the coordination and exchange of technology and policy for disciplinary grids. The task of the forum is to reduce duplication of efforts, but still recognize and pronounce unique demands from disciplinary user communities."
"The e-IRG notes the timely operation of an EGEE/LCG/OSG group working on a common Acceptable Usage Policy for multidisciplinary Grid infrastructures and it expresses its satisfaction and support for the current draft AUP proposed in the current white paper and would like to encourage the group to consolidate it as soon as possible. It is felt that such an effort would greatly promote pan-European resource sharing for e-Science."
"The e-IRG encourages work towards a common federation for academia and research institutes that ensures mutual recognition of the strength and validity of their authorization assertions"

On the topic of User Support it is noted that for new user communities such as the Social Sciences users may require a different approach to User Support than would be necessary for the current dominant user communities.

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4.e-IRG Roadmap

The e-IRG was asked during the workshop on 18 November by Ulf Dahlsten (European Commission, director of DG INFSO-F - Emerging Technologies and Infrastructures) to produce a roadmap for the European Grid, Supercomputing and Networking Infrastructure, along the lines of the ESFRI activities. Also, the e-IRG chairman is invited to meet with ESFRI in Brussels. The e-IRG discusses this proposal and finds the request fitting within the goals and expertise of e-IRG. The e-IRG chair will meet with ESFRI in December.

5.Support for e-IRG activities

There will be a call from Brussels released December 15th, in which there are possibilities for structural support for e-IRG activities. Patrick Aerts will coordinate this effort.

6.Should we go to SC2005?

An additional endorsement was made to enhance the visibility of Europe at international events:

"The e-IRG gives high priority to the visibility of European infrastructures at venues such as the annual Supercomputing and Communications Conference organized in the US. The goal is to have an increased and continuous presence at booths, panels, talks, and keynote addresses. e-IRG encourages a coordinated European presence at SC 2005. Europe should also focus on creating greater global visibility of corresponding European venues. This could entail merging of some conferences to create critical mass and reach global impact."

7.Presentation by Tony Hey

Tony Hey gives a presentation about the UK view on e-Infrastructure. Presentation can be downloaded on the e-IRG website.

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Fotis Karayannis, editor of the Den Haag white paper, summarizes all endorsements made during the day.

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Patrick Aerts thanks the participants and closes the meeting.